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Afternoon, just investigating ATR's at the moment

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View PostTDID, on Sep 17 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

Nowt major, I bought a vtr as I went back to college for 2 years and needed something motorway friendly with low running costs. Bought as standard with good history, now has weld in cage, omp record seats, dished wheel, usual breathing mods, bilstein suspension, uprated brakes. It's good fun on track though the gearing is way too long. I'm off to the 'ring again next month which should be good fun, I'm still learning the place but that doesn't matter, it's more challenging than uk stuff where you can push fairly hard after a few laps.

When I'm in a position to buy I will take some test drives and see what suits my needs best.


The VTR boxes are stupidly long :confused2:
My mate put a 1.4 xsi box in his and it transformed the car, but it would limit out far too soon.
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View PostTDID, on Sep 17 2009, 05:03 PM, said:


Not a fan of 2500s, more likely to go for yellowstuffs as they're well priced and a good all round pad, perhaps lacking in a little feel but for the price they're pretty good.



Not wishing to start an argument here at all ......but....... you rate yellowstuff pads over 2500s? :dunno:

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Decided to have a bash after work today as I got home early.
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View Postobriener2054, on Sep 17 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

just a different exterior cast i'd imagine


Think slightly different piston sizes too ;)
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View Postchristhesecond, on Sep 17 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

Not wishing to start an argument here at all ......but....... you rate yellowstuff pads over 2500s? :dunno:

Maybe on a different car to the ATR..... :dunno:

Yellowstuff is not great, i have them on mine.... :-|
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I find the 2500s degrade very quickly, fade a bit, leave deposits on the discs leading to judder. I'm yet to try pagid blues so I expect they might be given a go on the next car, possibly 1155s.

Re: the box on the vtr, it's fine for road but so restrictive on track, on most uk tracks an xsi box would be perfect, a bit too short for day to day use.

I know of the synvhro issue on the atr boxes but otherwise are they fairly track and road friendly?
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View PostTDID, on Sep 17 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

I find the 2500s degrade very quickly, fade a bit, leave deposits on the discs leading to judder. I'm yet to try pagid blues so I expect they might be given a go on the next car, possibly 1155s.?

Hawk HP+ pads is another option for the ATR and recommended by a the few that use them on here. :agree:

Almost the same price as DS2500's. 8)
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Are the Hawks a track suited compound? I'll have a look a to them anyway.
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View PostTDID, on Sep 17 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

I find the 2500s degrade very quickly, fade a bit, leave deposits on the discs leading to judder.


the 2500's are affected by the quality or lack there of of the discs. Yes they can leave brake dust everywhere, but are not known to fade on the ATR when teamed up with Bremtech discs.

Discs and pads (in various guises) have been discussed before, and it is always down to personal preference :agree:
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The 2500s I have used were with Brembo discs, braking is a very personal thing though when it comes to feel, bite etc As long as the standard calipers when coupled with decent discs and pads are ample for track work I'll be happy as a pig in poo. I've never really liked the braking on the saxo.
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View PostTDID, on Sep 17 2009, 10:35 PM, said:

Are the Hawks a track suited compound? I'll have a look a to them anyway.

A couple of links for you.....

Hawk vs DS2500 Discussion : http://www.accordr.org/index.php?showtopic...=hawk&st=20

Temperature range info on Hawk HP+ : http://www.cambridge...formance-Brakes

Info on Ferrodo DS2500 : http://www.europerformance.co.uk/pages/gui...rake-pads.mhtml
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Interesting. The braking issue among other things I can research, I won't know if the ATR is for me, nor the ITR for that matter, until I drive one, I won't be doing that until I can buy anyway.

I shall continue the research for now, I'll endeavour to pop up a few pics from me upcoming ring trip if it might be of interest to people.
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Where abouts are you based since I'm sure someone could show how well the ATR goes. :agree:
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Don't tell but I think red is the best colour...
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I see where you are coming from matey, i too started off with French hatchbacks..... i love the way you always feel 'involved' when driving them, due to the raw / crap build quality feel they have lol. My ex had a 172, great little car to drive great fun....... i like a car that feels involving to drive - not like sitting on your sofa at home, with 4 wheels on, getting from A to B.

The best thing about the ATR for me is, it reminds you that you are driving, and you HAVE to drive it! It cruises about in reasonable comfort when you want to be all adult-like, yet when you open it up, it feels small and nimble! Until you drive one, you won't fully appreciate what i mean.

The car has a split personality, it is a jack of all trades. Every time i take my uncle out for a spin in mine - up a decent moorland road - he shakes his head in dis-belief, and tells me that i am f@%$&d for my choice of next car due to the ability of the ATR.

Try one - its not as 'grown up' as you might think ;) I have had mine for over 3 years now and it feels like i only got it last week :D
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:agree:

A friend of mine always says that it handles like a little car, but looks like a big car.... :agree:
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Having had the ATR a couple of weeks now I thought I’d just write down a few things i've found so far.
Previous cars being a slightly modified DC2 and slightly modified DC5. I'll mainly be comparing it to the DC2 however as that’s what i’ve just sold and replaced with the Accord.

I’ve noticed it has alot of grip or at least mechanical grip, more so than the DC2. It doesn’t rely on its balance as much as the Teg but it still handles very well. I've noticed the weight much more during acceleration, braking and cornering. Particularly the weight transfer when changing direction. It’s much more sluggish in a sense because of this, feeling less on its toes, less focused with a more grown up feel, relying more on grip and stability but still retaining good turn in. Leading me to feel that it requires a more delicate, precise, and smoother driver to get the most out of it. The balance of the car seems really good for its size but also seems alittle nose heavy (although this could be the suspension setup+weight transfer), and with the very stable rear end it certainly under steers before the teg would have done on tighter stuff at least. On medium to fast bends i’ve found it just as quick and have yet to find its limits. (Track action for this I think) Due to its size, weight, suspension travel and setup if certainly takes rough surfaces better than the teg, being able to handle motorways, A roads and city driving just as well as each other. Another thing I have noticed which the DC2 never portrayed as much is that the Diff likes to pull you offline sometimes, either if you have too much lock (turning at a junction) or when the power is applied and you’re on an uneven surface. I guess this is probably to be expected but something I never really noticed on the teg.

As for comfort its leaps and bounds ahead of the Integra, Seats and Steering position are just as good but it absorbed bumps better and doesn’t have half the road noise either. Theirs very few creaks or rattles compared to the teg too and seems better put together. Fuel wise they seem to be quite similar.

The engine even with the stock intake sounds really throaty and the engine pulls alot better lower down making full use of the extra CC's. The Torque is very impressive and on both city and motorway driving it’s almost effortless in comparison. The gearing however I find lets it down. I think ideally it could have done with a 6 speed. Although the 5 speed is good, the gearing is just far too long. I'm finding im dropping out of vtec on certain gears. 1st is too long as is 3rd and 4th and vtec seems abit too high up. I think it should come in more like 5.5k imo. However I can only think Honda did this intentionally to make it a better all rounder instead of an out and out sports car. Shortening the FD which i’ve noticed a few members on here have done must make wonders to the feel of the car. And something I may consider when my clutch decides to pack in. TBH this is the main let down to the car for me.

Brakes, although very effective just aren't up to any prolonged abuse, after 10mins of a spirited drive bearing in mind im not a heavy braker the peddle was getting very spongy. I know the DC2’s brakes only needed some pads and fluid to make them track worthy so I’d expect the bigger brakes and twin pots on the ATR to be more than adequate when combined with some decent pad material.

Overall and it probably doesn’t seem it, I’m very impressed with the car, it still shows good balance, decent brakes, a very strong engine, mixing both fun with comfort which for me, is ideal. It isn’t as raw as the DC2 but that isn’t why I bought it. The main things letting the car down in my view is its weight (possibly to be expected as well) and the gearing. It seems to do everything really well making it certainly a better all rounder. The things that kind of surprised me most were its high levels of grip and strong engine. It certainly has plenty of potential especially if it was to be turned into a more track focused car.

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When i first got my ATR I thought that the diff was violent and had a mind of it's own... :shock:

The problem turned out to be wheel alignment. A proper alignment reduced the tramlining & torque steer considerably. ;)
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Very much the same here Stu, tramlined like a bee hatch before I got that done.
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It sounds like it's quite sensitive to geo changes then, I expect a bit of pull from a car with an lsd but it's ok, if it fires you out the corner quicker then it's all good.

It is a tricky thing trying to find a balance between road and track as you are always compromised in some area, if I were able to commit to more trackdays I'd get something for an all out track car and one for road, finances dictate that it's not a real option at the moment.

The difference between road and track miles this year has been quite a bit so a comfortable all rounder looks to be the sensible option. I'm not usually sensible so it could be interesting finding a car to suit my needs.

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TBH if its more a mixture of driving your doing i'd go for an ATR.

My ITR felt like it needed abit more attention on the maintenance side, partially due to its age. But its also alot more raw and as time goes on i think alot more owners are turning them into track cars. The ATR with a few basic mods should be half decent on track.
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I think I've found a slightly more sensible slant on things, I never thought I'd say this but the boot on the ATR looks pretty big and that's something I like, it also seems to me I would get a lot more car for my money. I fear I'm turning into my father.

Just done an insurance quote from confused so fairly generic, with a bit of ringing round I reckon I can get it to a very reasonable level. A jdm ITR would be a bit more I expect.

I've started to look in to track based changes, suspension is also a very subjective thing so that'll take a bit of investigation. I'm pretty pleased with the Bilsteins I have on the Saxo so I would hope they do some decent kit for the ATR.
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